In my opinion, "bad students" should not be put together in a same class, because in one hand, I think that because they all have difficulties, they would not do more work so far, whereas if the classes are mixed, these students would do their best to be close the same level as their classmates. But, some students do not think the same as me, so maybe, they would be better in special classes. Everything depends on the person
We studied an extract of the book "Freedom Writers" which is a mix of different diaries wrote by Erin Gruwell's students. In their diaries, students are talking about their problems at school, their thoughts.. Now ce wan wonder what is the best for students : mixed classes or classes made by level. On the one hand, I don't think that putting all the bad students together is a good solution. I'm in favour of mixed classes. As all kind of students will push the bad ones up. In class, at the oral, bad students will listen the others and learn more. If the students are segregated by their level, they could feel rejected and uncomfortable and they won't work well at class. Students prefer being in class with friends, than with unknowns persons so that's why we should keep mixed classes. On the other hand, I think that it is easier for the teachers to help the bad students because they will identify them easily than in a mixed class and they could help them faster. This kind of class is good also because the class won't go too fast for the students and they won't be lost during a lesson, they will learn little by little and maybe at the end of the year, these students would reached a satisfactory level. To sum up, I will say that I prefer to do not segregate students by their level so that's why I think that mixed classes are butter but, of course it depends on the students and the different cases.
How can we define "bad student" ? A bad student is a pupil who have difficulties in class, bad attitude and who disturb school life. So it will be interesting to see if it's preferable to group all "bad students" together or create mixed classes. First we will study the advantages to put "bad students" together and secondly we will see the consequences of thé creation of mixed classes with "bad and good students"
On the one hand, There are several advantages to put together "bad students" for school Life. First, "bad students" will not lower the level of class and the class will stay a good class. Moreover the atmosphere in classe will not ne disturbed. So group "bad students" together allow to not penalize "good students". Howerver it's not very beneficial for "bad students" because them level don't increase, they stay in the same situation .
On the other hand, Create mixed class can be a good solution for all students. Indeed good students can help or motivate bad students at work, it's a good thing. Moreover this solution favour mutual aid and solidarity between students. At last, this measure allows to confront students at differences and promote tolerance between each other.
To conclud I am in favour of mixed classes because it's beneficial for all students, bad or good.
"the same class......on the one hand..... they all have difficulties.... to be at the same level......it would be better for them to be in special classes...." "which is an extract from.....written by.... They deal with .....all kinds of students....during debates.....will listen to.... work well in class.... unknown people.......would reach..... students are not segregated... better
"the..... a pupil who has........disturbs.....the advantage of putting....bad students together......will remain a good class.... will not be disturbed...grouping together "bad students" will allow good students to work better without disturbances...because they will not improve...because they will be in the same situation....Creating mixed classes....Indeed, this helps students to meet and accept differences... To conclude...."
Education is a very burning issue in ours societies . Indeed we have seen with the different formers strikes in France and in England that students are ready to fight for their rights . Moreover governments try to find the better solutions for them and those solutions are often focused on poor students or bad students . But those two sorts of students are different . Indeed if it could be enough to give more grants for poor students , what should we do for bad students ? Should we put them together or should we be in favour of mix class ?
First , there are two sorts of bad students , and we have to make a difference . On the one hand there is the bad student who has a lot of difficulties in his studies but tries to be better every time . On the other hand there is the bad student who has a lot of difficulties but instead of improving himself he disturbs lessons . So , for people from the first category , mis class could be very interesting . It will allow them to be motivated , to not give up , and to have a lot of autosatisfaction if they succuded in being better . The heads of class will encourage and push them at the top . They would feel like other students and their difficulties would seem less insurmountable . However , for the other " bad students " , it would be better to put them together . Those students need a different way of learning . They have to be trained and supervised all the time . They don't often seen the importance of school . they stick to their bad attitudes . For example French government makes a difference with " the ZEP " Priority education area . Secondly , the school system make the difference itself , indeed even if all students are mixed , more they do studies more only best students stay . For example in " Class prepa " there are only good students from high school . what's more there are some college more renowned . So Finally to mix or to put together depends on the different sorts of students . And it seems like the difference is made naturaly after high school and more and more in secondary school .
The school education is important to educate the children and to help them to find a good job in the future. However,nowaday the education bring a lot of debates such as to show favouritism of mixed classes that is to mix good students and bad students or to invent special classes especially for the bad students. Indeed,I think it's better to mix classes because on the one hand bad students(the students who obtain a bad mark)must be in contact with good students to give them courage and to push them to progress and maybe to help them to make their homework.Still those bad students must supply efforts to have a good mark too. On the other hand,the bad students who describe unruly pupils and who trouble the good pupils, for that it's better to fire from their school or to gather in special classes and to put their a special teacher. Finally we can notice in the two cases who I talk about the student either good or bad must be educated and to go to school
Teachers want what's the best for their students. So, they are going to wonder if it's better to group together the "bad students" or have mixed classes in order to give them the best working conditions. In the extract "Freedom Writers" they have adopted the classes made by level.
On the one hand it's better when the levels are mixed because the best students can help the "bad students" and influence them.
On the second hand when the class have the same level, all the class learn at the same time and the top of the class is not slow because of the "bad students". This means can work just if the students are diciplinated and motivated to work.
To my mind, it's best when the "bad students" are put together because the "good students" can work in best conditions and have a good level and if the "bad students" are motivated to work they can participate without being juged.
Every year new classes are created : some classes seem to be promising , these classes are generally composed of good students who want to work and want a future career. Whereas other classes are composed of lazy students who are there to disturb serious ones. We can also ask ourselves if "bad students" should be put together , or if classes should be mixed? On the one hand we can say , that it's better when classes are mixed. We can say it because serious students can push up bad ones. It is like a form of encouragement for them, they try to do their best to be at the same level as good students. Next we can say that classes should be mixed otherwise students who have difficulties will never progress and their gap will persist. But on the other hand it would be positive to put all the students who are at the same level together and particularly bad ones. This because sometimes the fact that they are not concentrated pushes down good students. Finally it should be good not to mix classes because if bad students don't want to work they will not interfere with others. In my opinion classes should be mixed and good students should help bad ones.
"Bad students" is a new name that we look to the pupils who don't arrive at school and who disturb classes and other pupils.
On the one hand, bad students should be put together, in the same class because these class must have two teachers to keep peace and to help pupils in very great difficulty. Moreover putting them in the same class will allow not to disturb good pupils. For example, in certain school of Canada, they decided to put all the bad students in the same class with two voluntary teachers and apparently in these school the result is conclusive.
On the other hand, mixed classes is a good idea because bad students are not putting aside and they don't feel drop and other student can help them. However if they are insert into mixed classes they must be follow out of class and they must have remedial courses.
To conclude, there is two solutions for bad students but i think that the first solution is the best because they are more help. They can learn slowly and lots of things of their level rather than waste their time in classes where they don't have the level.
Some Corrections Emna - It is better to have mixed classes...
Marie - ....mix of different diaries written by... Now we can wonder... ..bad students will listen to others.. ....will identify them more easily than in a mixed class.. I prefer not to segregate... mixed classes are better
Fanari Manon - A bad student is a pupil who has difficulties in class, bad attitude and who disturbs school life. So to group "bad students" together allows us to not penalize the "good students" ..their level does not increase ...
housnate - ..in our society. ..he disturbs the class... ..they don't often see the importance ..
Roukia M'madi the education brings a lot of ...to help them do their home work ...the bad students who are unruly ..to put them with a special teacher
Laura.b - what's best... when the class has same level.
Antoine. Jacques - mixed classes are a good idea because the bad students are not put aside (or ignored) and they don't feel like drop-outs ...inserted into or mixed with other classes.. helped more..
The school is very important in life because it's here that we meet news people and learn about us, news language, news thing about the world...
If bad students disrupt the class, i think they won't should be in the in the same class because it's not good for studients who want working. Maybe if they are separated, they will bored then they will beginn working.
But if bad students don't disrupt the class but they have comprehentions difficulty , also i think it's good to do class with few students but all with the same grades for better progress. It's also good if students with different grades are in the same class because the better can help the people who are difficulty. ( for this they are also the teacher).
Hello everyone ! I think the idea of putting the bad students together is very stupid because I do not think it would allow them to progress. Indeed, I think that good students can "pull up" students in difficulty. However, in some classes, the mood is not good. It's up to the teacher to improve the group's cohesion. I think classes with only bad students would not motivate students but discourage them because we would like them to understand that they are just different. The key to success is not in the composition of the class but in the personal work provided by each. It is not a problem to be bad at school, if we are able to work and we are serious, we can accomplish great things. For example, a student with difficulties who finds himself in a motivated class will also be pushed to work. Malo Mabin TS1
I am far from convinced that putting together "bad students" as you call them in the same classes would help them to progress for the simple reason that there are no "bad students" but just people who gave up because they are sick of trying really hard to understand and not being able to do so, in my opinion they just feel kind of ashamed and disappointed of themselves. Indeed very often it is a call for help and a sign of deep suffering. I strongly disagree with the idea of different types of classes because let's imagine that "bad students" would be put together, don't you think that they would feel like we want to get rid of them and that it would remind them that they aren't good enough because of their difficulties for a society which would, in a way, give them up. Moreover we have to make a difference between students with difficulties who try their best and students who just come to class because they have no choices and are just here to disturb the class. Those last one should effectively be excluded or redirected towards other studies. To conclude I'm in favour of mixed classes because good students can help or motivate bad students at work, for example I'm very bad at mathematics but I know that my other classmates would help me to understand and it shows the solidarity between students and can link people to each other and create friendships.
First of all, we need to define a bad student. To me, a bad student is a student who doesn't work at school, doesn't do his homework, disturbs the class and has a bad attitude. It's not directly related to his/her marks. If a student is disrespectful to the teacher, makes loads of noise in class but has really high marks, he is still a bad student. In the same way that if a student doesn't have very good marks but has a good attitude in class and tries his best, he isn't a bad student.
I think "bad students" shouldn't all be put in the same class. To me, a class should be composed of various types of students. If there were only (what we call) bad students in a class, the teacher would have a hard time trying to keep calm and teach them. They would all get together and be noisy and maybe even be disrespecful. However, if they are all mixed into different classes, there would be a higher chance that they calm down and start working. They are more likely to take example of the "good students". Moreover, the disadvantage of mixed classes is that students who actually want to work might be disturbed by the bad students. In this case, I think it's the teacher's job to handle those students.
In my opinion, I think that all students should be mixed on a same classe for many reasons. First, we must be considered like equal and if "bad students" are put apart on a other classe, they can be denigraded and other students can laught at them and this "bad students" are automatically considered like inferior and like "idiots". Secondly, mixed classes are good because the "bad students" can be helped by the "good" one and can be influenced by them to improve themselves and to change their behavior to have good marks. In short, I am in favour of mixed classes because the fact of separate "good" and "bad" students is good to divide people, to create social problems and to cause prejudices that we have on each other. Despite this, if we mix the differente types of students together, serious students can be deranged by students who pertubate the classe because they don't want work. The role of teachers is to improve the level of all students and not just a minority. The behavior of students change according to the teacher, I think that a good teacher is able to pass his passion and his knowledge to all different students.
Do a class with only bad students has several advantages and disadvantages. On the one hand if bad students are together in one classe, teacher can spend a lot of time to better explain the lesson and do more revision to help students. On the other hand a mixed classes are better to make a progress and not belittle the students who are in this classes.
Sorry I made some mistakes: "in the same class", "considered equal", "in another class", "laugh", "considered inferior", "good ones", "the fact of separating", "different types", "can be disturbed by students who perturb", "don't want to work", "behaviour of on"
I think that it's better to mixed classes because if we put all bad students together their cases are gonna be worst.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, "bad students" should not be put together in a same class, because in one hand, I think that because they all have difficulties, they would not do more work so far, whereas if the classes are mixed, these students would do their best to be close the same level as their classmates. But, some students do not think the same as me, so maybe, they would be better in special classes. Everything depends on the person
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ReplyDeleteWe studied an extract of the book "Freedom Writers" which is a mix of different diaries wrote by Erin Gruwell's students. In their diaries, students are talking about their problems at school, their thoughts..
ReplyDeleteNow ce wan wonder what is the best for students : mixed classes or classes made by level.
On the one hand, I don't think that putting all the bad students together is a good solution. I'm in favour of mixed classes. As all kind of students will push the bad ones up. In class, at the oral, bad students will listen the others and learn more. If the students are segregated by their level, they could feel rejected and uncomfortable and they won't work well at class. Students prefer being in class with friends, than with unknowns persons so that's why we should keep mixed classes.
On the other hand, I think that it is easier for the teachers to help the bad students because they will identify them easily than in a mixed class and they could help them faster. This kind of class is good also because the class won't go too fast for the students and they won't be lost during a lesson, they will learn little by little and maybe at the end of the year, these students would reached a satisfactory level.
To sum up, I will say that I prefer to do not segregate students by their level so that's why I think that mixed classes are butter but, of course it depends on the students and the different cases.
How can we define "bad student" ? A bad student is a pupil who have difficulties in class, bad attitude and who disturb school life. So it will be interesting to see if it's preferable to group all "bad students" together or create mixed classes.
ReplyDeleteFirst we will study the advantages to put "bad students" together and secondly we will see the consequences of thé creation of mixed classes with "bad and good students"
On the one hand, There are several advantages to put together "bad students" for school Life.
First, "bad students" will not lower the level of class and the class will stay a good class. Moreover the atmosphere in classe will not ne disturbed. So group "bad students" together allow to not penalize "good students".
Howerver it's not very beneficial for "bad students" because them level don't increase, they stay in the same situation .
On the other hand, Create mixed class can be a good solution for all students.
Indeed good students can help or motivate bad students at work, it's a good thing. Moreover this solution favour mutual aid and solidarity between students.
At last, this measure allows to confront students at differences and promote tolerance between each other.
To conclud I am in favour of mixed classes because it's beneficial for all students, bad or good.
"to mix"....
ReplyDelete"the same class......on the one hand..... they all have difficulties.... to be at the same level......it would be better for them to be in special classes...."
"which is an extract from.....written by.... They deal with .....all kinds of students....during debates.....will listen to.... work well in class.... unknown people.......would reach..... students are not segregated... better
"the..... a pupil who has........disturbs.....the advantage of putting....bad students together......will remain a good class.... will not be disturbed...grouping together "bad students" will allow good students to work better without disturbances...because they will not improve...because they will be in the same situation....Creating mixed
ReplyDeleteclasses....Indeed, this helps students to meet and accept differences...
To conclude...."
Education is a very burning issue in ours societies . Indeed we have seen with the different formers strikes in France and in England that students are ready to fight for their rights . Moreover governments try to find the better solutions for them and those solutions are often focused on poor students or bad students . But those two sorts of students are different . Indeed if it could be enough to give more grants for poor students , what should we do for bad students ? Should we put them together or should we be in favour of mix class ?
ReplyDeleteFirst , there are two sorts of bad students , and we have to make a difference . On the one hand there is the bad student who has a lot of difficulties in his studies but tries to be better every time . On the other hand there is the bad student who has a lot of difficulties but instead of improving himself he disturbs lessons . So , for people from the first category , mis class could be very interesting . It will allow them to be motivated , to not give up , and to have a lot of autosatisfaction if they succuded in being better . The heads of class will encourage and push them at the top . They would feel like other students and their difficulties would seem less insurmountable . However , for the other " bad students " , it would be better to put them together . Those students need a different way of learning . They have to be trained and supervised all the time . They don't often seen the importance of school . they stick to their bad attitudes . For example French government makes a difference with " the ZEP " Priority education area .
Secondly , the school system make the difference itself , indeed even if all students are mixed , more they do studies more only best students stay . For example in " Class prepa " there are only good students from high school . what's more there are some college more renowned .
So Finally to mix or to put together depends on the different sorts of students . And it seems like the difference is made naturaly after high school and more and more in secondary school .
The school education is important to educate the children and to help them to find a good job in the future. However,nowaday the education bring a lot of debates such as to show favouritism of mixed classes that is to mix good students and bad students or to invent special classes especially for the bad students.
ReplyDeleteIndeed,I think it's better to mix classes because on the one hand bad students(the students who obtain a bad mark)must be in contact with good students to give them courage and to push them to progress and maybe to help them to make their homework.Still those bad students must supply efforts to have a good mark too.
On the other hand,the bad students who describe unruly pupils and who trouble the good pupils, for that it's better to fire from their school or to gather in special classes and to put their a special teacher.
Finally we can notice in the two cases who I talk about the student either good or bad must be educated and to go to school
Teachers want what's the best for their students. So, they are going to wonder if it's better to group together the "bad students" or have mixed classes in order to give them the best working conditions.
ReplyDeleteIn the extract "Freedom Writers" they have adopted the classes made by level.
On the one hand it's better when the levels are mixed because the best students can help the "bad students" and influence them.
On the second hand when the class have the same level, all the class learn at the same time and the top of the class is not slow because of the "bad students". This means can work just if the students are diciplinated and motivated to work.
To my mind, it's best when the "bad students" are put together because the "good students" can work in best conditions and have a good level and if the "bad students" are motivated to work they can participate without being juged.
BELIN Laura T ES 3
Every year new classes are created : some classes seem to be promising , these classes are generally composed of good students who want to work and want a future career. Whereas other classes are composed of lazy students who are there to disturb serious ones.
ReplyDeleteWe can also ask ourselves if "bad students" should be put together , or if classes should be mixed?
On the one hand we can say , that it's better when classes are mixed. We can say it because serious students can push up bad ones. It is like a form of encouragement for them, they try to do their best to be at the same level as good students. Next we can say that classes should be mixed otherwise students who have difficulties will never progress and their gap will persist.
But on the other hand it would be positive to put all the students who are at the same level together and particularly bad ones. This because sometimes the fact that they are not concentrated pushes down good students. Finally it should be good not to mix classes because if bad students don't want to work they will not interfere with others.
In my opinion classes should be mixed and good students should help bad ones.
AFLALO
ELLA
TES 3
"Bad students" is a new name that we look to the pupils who don't arrive at school and who disturb classes and other pupils.
ReplyDeleteOn the one hand, bad students should be put together, in the same class because these class must have two teachers to keep peace and to help pupils in very great difficulty. Moreover putting them in the same class will allow not to disturb good pupils. For example, in certain school of Canada, they decided to put all the bad students in the same class with two voluntary teachers and apparently in these school the result is conclusive.
On the other hand, mixed classes is a good idea because bad students are not putting aside and they don't feel drop and other student can help them. However if they are insert into mixed classes they must be follow out of class and they must have remedial courses.
To conclude, there is two solutions for bad students but i think that the first solution is the best because they are more help. They can learn slowly and lots of things of their level rather than waste their time in classes where they don't have the level.
Some Corrections
ReplyDeleteEmna - It is better to have mixed classes...
Marie - ....mix of different diaries written by...
Now we can wonder...
..bad students will listen to others..
....will identify them more easily than in a mixed class..
I prefer not to segregate...
mixed classes are better
Fanari Manon -
A bad student is a pupil who has difficulties in class, bad attitude and who disturbs school life.
So to group "bad students" together allows us to not penalize the "good students"
..their level does not increase ...
housnate -
..in our society.
..he disturbs the class...
..they don't often see the importance ..
Roukia M'madi
the education brings a lot of
...to help them do their home work
...the bad students who are unruly
..to put them with a special teacher
Laura.b -
what's best...
when the class has same level.
Antoine. Jacques -
mixed classes are a good idea because the bad students are not put aside (or ignored) and they don't feel like drop-outs
...inserted into or mixed with other classes..
helped more..
The school is very important in life because it's here that we meet news people and learn about us, news language, news thing about the world...
ReplyDeleteIf bad students disrupt the class, i think they won't should be in the in the same class because it's not good for studients who want working. Maybe if they are separated, they will bored then they will beginn working.
But if bad students don't disrupt the class but they have comprehentions difficulty , also i think it's good to do class with few students but all with the same grades for better progress.
It's also good if students with different grades are in the same class because the better can help the people who are difficulty. ( for this they are also the teacher).
Hello everyone !
ReplyDeleteI think the idea of putting the bad students together is very stupid because I do not think it would allow them to progress. Indeed, I think that good students can "pull up" students in difficulty. However, in some classes, the mood is not good. It's up to the teacher to improve the group's cohesion. I think classes with only bad students would not motivate students but discourage them because we would like them to understand that they are just different. The key to success is not in the composition of the class but in the personal work provided by each. It is not a problem to be bad at school, if we are able to work and we are serious, we can accomplish great things. For example, a student with difficulties who finds himself in a motivated class will also be pushed to work.
Malo Mabin TS1
ReplyDeleteHello !
I am far from convinced that putting together "bad students" as you call them in the same classes would help them to progress for the simple reason that there are no "bad students" but just people who gave up because they are sick of trying really hard to understand and not being able to do so, in my opinion they just feel kind of ashamed and disappointed of themselves. Indeed very often it is a call for help and a sign of deep suffering.
I strongly disagree with the idea of different types of classes because let's imagine that "bad students" would be put together, don't you think that they would feel like we want to get rid of them and that it would remind them that they aren't good enough because of their difficulties for a society which would, in a way, give them up.
Moreover we have to make a difference between students with difficulties who try their best and students who just come to class because they have no choices and are just here to disturb the class. Those last one should effectively be excluded or redirected towards other studies.
To conclude I'm in favour of mixed classes because good students can help or motivate bad students at work, for example I'm very bad at mathematics but I know that my other classmates would help me to understand and it shows the solidarity between students and can link people to each other and create friendships.
Amira INES 2nde1
Hi everyone,
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, we need to define a bad student. To me, a bad student is a student who doesn't work at school, doesn't do his homework, disturbs the class and has a bad attitude. It's not directly related to his/her marks. If a student is disrespectful to the teacher, makes loads of noise in class but has really high marks, he is still a bad student. In the same way that if a student doesn't have very good marks but has a good attitude in class and tries his best, he isn't a bad student.
I think "bad students" shouldn't all be put in the same class. To me, a class should be composed of various types of students. If there were only (what we call) bad students in a class, the teacher would have a hard time trying to keep calm and teach them. They would all get together and be noisy and maybe even be disrespecful. However, if they are all mixed into different classes, there would be a higher chance that they calm down and start working. They are more likely to take example of the "good students".
Moreover, the disadvantage of mixed classes is that students who actually want to work might be disturbed by the bad students. In this case, I think it's the teacher's job to handle those students.
In my opinion, I think that all students should be mixed on a same classe for many reasons. First, we must be considered like equal and if "bad students" are put apart on a other classe, they can be denigraded and other students can laught at them and this "bad students" are automatically considered like inferior and like "idiots". Secondly, mixed classes are good because the "bad students" can be helped by the "good" one and can be influenced by them to improve themselves and to change their behavior to have good marks. In short, I am in favour of mixed classes because the fact of separate "good" and "bad" students is good to divide people, to create social problems and to cause prejudices that we have on each other. Despite this, if we mix the differente types of students together, serious students can be deranged by students who pertubate the classe because they don't want work. The role of teachers is to improve the level of all students and not just a minority. The behavior of students change according to the teacher, I think that a good teacher is able to pass his passion and his knowledge to all different students.
ReplyDeleteDo a class with only bad students has several advantages and disadvantages.
ReplyDeleteOn the one hand if bad students are together in one classe, teacher can spend a lot of time to better explain the lesson and do more revision to help students.
On the other hand a mixed classes are better to make a progress and not belittle the students who are in this classes.
Sandra Vincent TES1
Sorry I made some mistakes:
Deletehaving a class
the teacher
to explain the lesson better
mixed classes
Sorry I made some mistakes: "in the same class", "considered equal", "in another class", "laugh", "considered inferior", "good ones", "the fact of separating", "different types", "can be disturbed by students who perturb", "don't want to work", "behaviour of on"
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