To begin with, this quote refers to the notion of justice. This leads us to ask ourselves: what is justice?
Some think they are defending justice but in reality they are wrong: indeed defending what you want is not the same thing as defending what is right. We generally defend what is good for us and less what is good for the other. That's exactly what the quote says: justice is not subjective, we all know what is right but not all of us choose to follow it.
To conclude, I think there are two types of people: those who think they are doing good by defending something they think is right and those who don't think about justice.
We all have different causes to defend for different reasons, depending on who we are, where we are from, etc. We all believe that our cause is more important and legitimate than the other ones but it is not objective at all. Thus, by fighting for causes that are dear to us and pretending to want to restore justice, we create injustice. I quite agree with this quote but I think that, sometimes, people really fight for popular causes which do not concern only them, in order to restore justice.
Plato stated that one does evil only out of ignorance of the good. Baring that in mind, we may discuss Elihu Root's statement: " Honest people, mistakenly believing in the justice of their cause, are led to support injustice."
An honest person fully committed to a cause - that is to him of primary importance - may neglect what is not related to it. Actually, the cause one stands up for could blind one and thus make one unaware of every other thing. Therefore, one could reasonably agree with Elihu Root's statement.
But to my mind, what this quote means is that being honest and being fair do not always go together. To be fair, of course, one has not only to be honest but also to be neutral and capable of enough hindsight to see the big picture that someone mistakenly believing in the justice of his cause can not demonstrate.
(Pauline Creisson) Hello, This quote is interesting because it illustrates the complexity of justice: some cases may seem essential to some while others judge them without interest. Indeed, the external factors with which we have grown up and which we have not chosen influence our way of thinking and seeing the world. Depending on our origin, place of birth, family, financial situation, everyone will have a different point of view and a different cause to defend that will seem right to him, while this is totally subjective. Because for someone who grew up in a totally different environment, these causes will seem totally unfair to him. That is the meaning of that quote, which I believe to be true.
We all grew up in different countries and laws are not the same in every country that's why people don't have the same point of view. Furthermore, we don't have the same education, some people mù
Sorry my computer had a problem, this is the sequel: We all grew up in a special way because we don't have the same education, some people may think in a way about different subjects such as equality between genders because their parents brought them up in a certain way. But that doesn't mean that they can't make their own mind. So I think that justice has bases that are respected from everyone but some aspects, that are more subtle, which can differ from someone to another.
Hello. First of all I think that indeed, when you really believe in something, and nothing can change your mind, it is possible to be in injustice. But I also think that these people don't really realize it, so it can't be considered as injustice. Moreover, what is right can be right or wrong for some people, and it depends on each person. However, sometimes we unconsciously force ourselves to believe in something in a selfish way, just because admitting the injustice would hurt us too much.
Standing up for your rights and for your own cause is important to prevent injustice. But, on the same hand, it can also lead to being biased if the cause is defended for selfish reasons and not for a better becoming of our society. So, I won’t disagree with this quote as it highlights that the access to justice requires support of injustice.
First, one should remember that everyone have a different conception of justice, as Amartya Sen (Nobel Prizezwinner) said, "The path of "perfectly just" is impassable". Therefore, when honest people defend their causes, are they leading to support injustice ?
When honest people defend their causes they do think they are fighting for justice because they think that this cause is fair and especially they believe it is right. It is to say that they don't think they are doing wrong, defending their cause, so I don't think they are consciously leading to support injustice.
However, defending a cause that we think is right isn't it making justice subjective? Nevertheless justice is supposed to be based on truth, and truth is objective. Thus, defending the causes they mistakenly believe are right, it is true to say that they may lead to support injustice. To conclude, defending a cause that we think is right might be the wrong thing to do when we are not sure it is the truth. So, it can make us support injustice. Yet, if the "perfectly just" doesn't exist, isn't injustice unavoidable ?
Hi , This quote is relevant because it demonstrates the difficulty of justice. Some matters may seem essential to some people while others find them irrelevant. In reality, the external influences we have grown up with and which we did not choose influence the way we think and see the world. Depending on where we come from, where we were depending on our background, place of birth, family, financial situation, everyone will have a different point of view and a different cause to plead that they feel is right, Where as this is totally subjective. Because for someone who has grown up in a totally different a totally different environment, these causes will seem totally unfair to him or her. That's what I think this quote means.
To begin with, this quote refers to the notion of justice. This leads us to ask ourselves: what is justice?
ReplyDeleteSome think they are defending justice but in reality they are wrong: indeed defending what you want is not the same thing as defending what is right. We generally defend what is good for us and less what is good for the other. That's exactly what the quote says: justice is not subjective, we all know what is right but not all of us choose to follow it.
To conclude, I think there are two types of people: those who think they are doing good by defending something they think is right and those who don't think about justice.
We all have different causes to defend for different reasons, depending on who we are, where we are from, etc. We all believe that our cause is more important and legitimate than the other ones but it is not objective at all. Thus, by fighting for causes that are dear to us and pretending to want to restore justice, we create injustice. I quite agree with this quote but I think that, sometimes, people really fight for popular causes which do not concern only them, in order to restore justice.
ReplyDeleteHi,
ReplyDeletePlato stated that one does evil only out of ignorance of the good. Baring that in mind, we may discuss Elihu Root's statement: " Honest people, mistakenly believing in the justice of their cause, are led to support injustice."
An honest person fully committed to a cause - that is to him of primary importance - may neglect what is not related to it. Actually, the cause one stands up for could blind one and thus make one unaware of every other thing. Therefore, one could reasonably agree with Elihu Root's statement.
But to my mind, what this quote means is that being honest and being fair do not always go together. To be fair, of course, one has not only to be honest but also to be neutral and capable of enough hindsight to see the big picture that someone mistakenly believing in the justice of his cause can not demonstrate.
Florian Crahès, T2.
correction : ignorance of the good->ignorance of what is good;
Deletebaring->bearing
him/her it is of primary
(Pauline Creisson)
ReplyDeleteHello,
This quote is interesting because it illustrates the complexity of
justice: some cases may seem essential to some while others judge
them without interest. Indeed, the external factors with which we
have grown up and which we have not chosen influence our way of
thinking and seeing the world. Depending on our origin, place of
birth, family, financial situation, everyone will have a different point
of view and a different cause to defend that will seem right to him,
while this is totally subjective. Because for someone who grew up in
a totally different environment, these causes will seem totally unfair
to him. That is the meaning of that quote, which I believe to be true.
Justice is different for everyone.
ReplyDeleteWe all grew up in different countries and laws are not the same in every country that's why people don't have the same point of view. Furthermore, we don't have the same education, some people mù
Sorry my computer had a problem, this is the sequel:
ReplyDeleteWe all grew up in a special way because we don't have the same education, some people may think in a way about different subjects such as equality between genders because their parents brought them up in a certain way.
But that doesn't mean that they can't make their own mind.
So I think that justice has bases that are respected from everyone but some aspects, that are more subtle, which can differ from someone to another.
Hello.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all I think that indeed, when you really believe in something, and nothing can change your mind, it is possible to be in injustice. But I also think that these people don't really realize it, so it can't be considered as injustice. Moreover, what is right can be right or wrong for some people, and it depends on each person. However, sometimes we unconsciously force ourselves to believe in something in a selfish way, just because admitting the injustice would hurt us too much.
Standing up for your rights and for your own cause is important to prevent injustice. But, on the same hand, it can also lead to being biased if the cause is defended for selfish reasons and not for a better becoming of our society. So, I won’t disagree with this quote as it highlights that the access to justice requires support of injustice.
ReplyDeleteFirst, one should remember that everyone have a different conception of justice, as Amartya Sen (Nobel Prizezwinner) said, "The path of "perfectly just" is impassable".
ReplyDeleteTherefore, when honest people defend their causes, are they leading to support injustice ?
When honest people defend their causes they do think they are fighting for justice because they think that this cause is fair and especially they believe it is right. It is to say that they don't think they are doing wrong, defending their cause, so I don't think they are consciously leading to support injustice.
However, defending a cause that we think is right isn't it making justice subjective? Nevertheless justice is supposed to be based on truth, and truth is objective. Thus, defending the causes they mistakenly believe are right, it is true to say that they may lead to support injustice.
To conclude, defending a cause that we think is right might be the wrong thing to do when we are not sure it is the truth. So, it can make us support injustice. Yet, if the "perfectly just" doesn't exist, isn't injustice unavoidable ?
Hi , This quote is relevant because it demonstrates the difficulty of justice. Some matters may seem essential to some people while others find them irrelevant. In reality, the external influences we have grown up with and which we did not choose influence the way we think and see the world. Depending on where we come from, where we were depending on our background, place of birth, family, financial situation, everyone will have a different point of view and a different cause to plead that they feel is right, Where as this is totally subjective. Because for someone who has grown up in a totally different a totally different environment, these causes will seem totally unfair to him or her. That's what I think this quote means.
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