A mother wants to name her little boy "Ambre", a girl's name, but the mayor said she couldn't. What do you think about that ? Do you think a boy can have a girl's name (and conversely) ?
Hi everybody! I think that this reaction is ridiculous and shows a closed mind of the mayor. Ambre is a real name and it’s not a name like Boat or Pencil. Furthermore, there are several names wich are mixed. To give an example, in french, Camille, Frédérique, Charlie are a boy name or a girl name, they make both. The name not define the gender and conversely. It not must give a name to a child because it’s a baby girl or a baby boy. It are gender stereotypes and we must combat them.
First of all, I think there is no specific first name for girls or boys. I think it's more a matter of habits that society has, because of a past society, in which girls and boys were separated. If our ancestors had not been mysogenous and sexist from the beginning, this barrier between women and men would have been much more blurred and nothing would have categorized for a sex. But today is the day and our society is beginning to evolve and repair inequalities, but I think it is above all the mentalities that must be changed, as in the case of this mother. I hope she will still succeed in getting the name she wants for her child
It turns out that people have always separated girls and boys by predestining them for different sports, jobs, toys, futures and names because there would be supposed to be some things for girls and some things for boys.
I do not think that is appropriate. I don't see how a first name is gender-specific. Why would Mathilde be more feminine than Mathieu and a girl could not be called Mathieu and vice versa? However, it is not we who choose our first names but rather our parents. If our parents give us a name called masculine when we are born a girl or the other way around, it could harm us because all along our lives we will be discriminated against, we will be laughed at, we will not be taken seriously. If people are willing to put up with all this to fight this fight, they don't have to force newborns to wear this all their lives. Despite the fact that giving girls or boys first names is stupid, you can't take the risk of hurting a child without asking for your opinion, because that's the way society is.
First of all, the name you want to give to your child should not be validated by the mayor because for me a mayor does not have to give his opinion on the subject. It must be a family choice and especially parents.
Then parents have the full right to name their child as they wish. If they want their little boy named Ambre nothing can stop them. For example I know French boys who have girl names or the opposite , as the name Sasha which is used for girls and boys.
Anyway I disagree with the mayor because he has no right to choose instead of parents and I think a boy can have a girl's name ( and conversely).
Personally, I think that it'll be a problem, especially for the little boy because in his childhood, or even when he'll grow up, pupils/students/colleagues can make fun of him because it's not a common thing to be named with a girl name if we're a boy.
So, he'll probably don't like it and he'll be uncomfortable whoever he'll be with. He may feel shame of his name because some people will make him feel weird and ignored because of it.
Hello everyone, I think that a person should be able to have any name they want,there shouldn't be stereotypes regarding what gender a name corresponds to. But one could also argue that if a boy has a girl's name he might be made fun of (specially at a young age), which is wrong, but very possible. More over I don't understand why the mayor should be the one choosing the name of the child, after all it isn't his child but the mother's, so if she wants to name her child Ambre i don't see why she wouldn't be able to. To conclude I think that a boy can have girl's name, it won't change who he is or anything about him, after all its just a name.
First of all, we have to know if giving a boy's name to a girl and conversely is allowed by the law or not. The mayor said that she couldn't so may be it's not legal but we must be sure of that. In my opinion, it could be something very difficult and destabilizing for a child because of critics and judgment. Kids can be cruel and laugh at boys or girls who are different even for a detail. But if there is no prohibition by law parents can name their kids as they wish despite the fact that they are having fun without thinking about the consequences on their children's life. On one hand people are free but on the other hand, as far as I am concerned, I wouldn't bear being in this kind of situation and be named Ambre.
Every one is free to do whatever it wants as long rules established by the society are complied with. In this particular case, a woman chooses to name her son "Ambre" which is a girl's name. If we simply think at this situation, the woman is free to choose any first name for her son, on top of that the name of our kids is something really important because it is very personal, consequently we should allow this woman to name her son as she wants. But as stated previously, society has set rules that we cannot violate and this rule can be applied to this case. Indeed the law prohibits any name that goes against the mores or any name that can deprive the child or anyone else. We can see the situation from two differents angles : On the one hand the boy will keep a girl's name his entire life, therefore he will probably have to face jibes during his childhood and maybe even later in his life, which could make him suffer. On the other hand, Nowadays we live in a society where biases are disputed and where people tend to be more open minded. To sum up, I would say that this situation is very controversial but I believe it's in the best interest of the child to be named as a boy.
To my mind it's depends which name it is. If it's a real girl name it's quite difficult to give it to a boy. I am sure once he'll grow up, he'd have some difficulties and he would receive some jugements from other people, because we all know that nowadays, people aren't kind with each other and there are a lot of criticizing forms. He is the same case for a girl with a boy name. Moreover, there is unisex names. they are both girls and boys for instance: Camille, Dominique, Raphael/Raphaelle...
Hi everyone ! To my mind, parents should be able to call their children as they want, as long as it is not provoking. Sure, calling her son Amber will cause confusion, because it's a girl's name, but if she wants to call it that she should be able to do it. I think we can give a girl's name to a boy or boy's name to a girl, but you have to know that people will make fun of the name, which is not good for a child. The child will feel himself different of others children and he can lose confidence. To finish, I think that we don’t choose our name, so we must to respect people’s name because that’s not them who have choose. MABIN Paul TES3
I find this subject particularly interesting by its sphycological and social side. For starters it is necessary to know that every parent has the right to name his child as he wishes without exceeding the limits by using a banned name like Hitler for example. A name is really important in a life, it is by its pronunciation or its writing that a person is recognized in the world.Taking as an example this subject we can distinguish two points of view first of all that of the mother who for me the choice of this name is totally personal, she chooses this name because she likes it but she does not think about her son it is then that the point of view of the mair intervenes is a more global point of view which includes that of the son. Because in our society the name "Amber" is for the female gender and therefore the son of this mother could receive mockery, the name of his name would not help other people to correctly identify which will surely lead to a change of first name requested by the humiliated child. And so the thing that his mother would have left him will have disappeared. That's why the mayor tells the mother that she should notIn conclusion parents have a responsibility about the first name of their children and it is not enough to give them a random first name so I think for the boy it is better that he has a boy's name
In my opinion, I think parents have rights about their children's names, regardless about the name's gender. I see genders like upsetting cases where everyone can put us and it is something that really bother me. Why people can't have a name just because it is a girl's name ?
Therefore, I don't think a boy can't have a girl's name or a girl, a boy's name, because it's a part of their identity and others children have to learn it. Mockery wouldn't change anything about someone's name, even if they like it or not.
In conclusion, I think people should learn to respect the choice about names because each person is unique and names is part of them, so people should respect their decision and not restricting them.
Hi, I'm sorry but I made some mistakes, so here the corrected version: -"...have rights regarding the choice of their children..." -"...regardless..." -"...other children..." -"...respect the choice others make..." -"...made regarding names..." -"...in where names are concerned..." -"...a name..."
Hello! I think that the fact that a mother wants to name her little boy "Ambre" is really original and really courageous. Although her son might have some problems with that later, some names are unisex, like "Dominic/Dominique", "Camille", "Valery/Valerie", or "Grishka". So Ambre could be an unisex name. It's not a real problem, and it's a really pretty name. In Japan, some guys have girl's name and the contrary as well. There, it's pretty normal, for exemple, Yuki or Yuuki , which means snow, is unisex, boys and girls are named like that. And some boys are named after a flower's name. It wouldn't define the life of the person who is named by a unisex name. So if the mother wants to name her son Ambre, she can and I want to cheer her to do it.
To begin with, it's not the first time that some parents want to call their child with an unisex name, of course a lot of names like this exist such as Camille, Dominique, or why not Taylor and Jesse/Jessie. That's why we could ask ourselves : is a man (even if he is the mayor) really allowed to apply his opinion and so refuse parents' choice?
Today, a lot of things are going on, about women rights for example, or more freedom of opinion, in other words. People are fighting from social media, or in the street by demonstration for this issue. These people actually want everyone to be happy with themselves and moreover in the society they live in. The problem is that a mayor who is refusing a name is completely against that. Perhaps he thinks that people could expect a girl with this name whereas he is actually a boy make a mistake about his gender. Indeed, the mayor would say that refuse this name is for well being.
To conclude, I would say that I do not agree at all with the mayor's point of view. I think that parents should be allowed to call their children as they want. However, if the child gets laughed at, it's not his parents' fault for calling him that way, it's just the way people think which, unfortunately, does not mature. That's why I'd say that there is no boy's or girl's names, there are just names that we associate to people, some more often with girls and others more often with boys but that's it.
Hello, I find it completely ridiculous, why consider that a given name should be that of a boy or that of a girl.In addition, the mayor has no opinion to give on how the mother should name her child, this can be a personal choice for the mother.It is an important and sacred choice for parents.
Hello everyone! To be honest I think parents should not give girl's name to boys because when he'll grow up he probably get judgements and critics. He can feel lower and he'll isolate himself from persons. People can make fun of him and it will be disagreeable for him, same thing for girls. But there are mixed names like Camille, Frédérique, Gabriel, Pascale.
Hello! In my opinion, I think parents should not give girl's name to boys and conversely. Even though it is their choice, their children will probably be harassed because, at some age, children are very mean. And it will be even worse during the teenage years, because it is usually when you feel weak, or not confident and don't trust yourself; so I guess people will judge those children and probably laugh at them for their name. I also think it could be annoying because if a boy has long hair and has a girl's name, people will just confuse him with a girl and it will be embarassing, for both people and the boy. This is the reason why I think parents should not give girl's name to a boy or the other way around. Thank you for reading, CARLIN Lisa
As a starting point, our name will follow us all our lives except if we want to change because it is too ridiculous and if it hurt our social life but it’s difficult to change and we have to be an adult. On the one hand, we are in 2018 and I think it’s ridiculous to say that some names are for a specific gender. All names must be mixt, a mother can choose a name for her son as she wants and she doesn’t have to be stopped by the society which wants to put people into cases. On the other hand, a name can be refused if we think it will be difficult for a child to support it. Indeed, maybe the mayor thinks about the boy’s childhood and the harassment he may suffer because we know that children are sometimes cruel. A name doesn’t have to complicate life. However, some people think that the name was refused because it will establish the sexual orientation’s boy. To my mind, it’s unbelievable to think that and I complain children who have parents like that. In brief, I can’t wait to see that the society will change, and I will fight to name my daughter Eloi. Marie Espinosa 1ES2
Legislation on first names is undoubtedly a good reflection of social norms at a given time. In France, since 1991, parents have been given quite a lot of freedom. However, the administration must check whether the proposed first name is not likely to harm the child, as for example in the agreement with the surname, or whether it is likely to encourage play on words or easy mockery, or whether it symbolizes a trademark. This is a notion that touches on the subjective. It undoubtedly varies according to the civil registrars. If in Germany the first name must be gendered, we have in France a certain number of first names that may be suitable for both men and women (Dominique, Camille, Claude, Alix, Charlie, Andréa, Noah, Thaïs Michele, Lou, ...) in which way is Amber more feminine than masculine? If a good number of first names are available in both male and female, why not consider those who do not have this possibility as being equally suitable for girls and boys? Furthermore, to facilitate the transition to the town hall, as since a decree of 4 April 1991 "any first name entered on the birth certificate may be chosen as the usual first name", a first name resulting from a more personal choice may be entered in the second or third name and the child may subsequently wish to wear it.
Hello everyone, In my opinion a girl who has the name of a boy or a boy who has a girl's name is quite special because it's rare and often parents give a name to their child just because they like it without thinking about the consequences. While in reality it is not the parents who will have to live with this name but the child and it's something very important because a name that follows us everywhere especially at school so there will surely be many prejudices or mockery because people don't all have the same vision of this name and in this case the child can feel bad and upset and not feel like the others. So I think a girl should have a female name instead and vice versa for boys. But there are mixed mixed names. Zata
Hello everybody First the subject made me laugh because it is not the mayor who must choose the name of a child who is not his. Of course the name should not be silly or forbidden by law but it is up to the parent to choose. Secondly ,I think I think that before giving a mixed first name to a child, one may wonder if he will not suffer from this lack of sexual differentiation. It is important to ask if the child is not going to suffer from wearing a mixed name. However, this type of name upsets established genres and is particularly suitable for parents who want originality without falling into total extravagance. Lastly, in my opinion, it is better to give a boy a boy's name and conversely in order to be sure that the child is not harassed or otherwise Ethan Lellouche 1S1
In France, there are typically males and females names. But some of them can be for both sexes. So, french parents can name their children as they want ; except if it is a ridiculous or rude first name. They can even give an invented first name. However, I think it is hard to have a first name which doesn't match with his sex because it can hurt the psychological balance of the child. For example, growing up and have for name : Rose when you are a boy can be disrupting. Therefore, even if I think that a mother (or parents ) should be able to name their child as they wish, they have to watch out for the future of the kid who has this name.
To begin, The first name is something very important, that's what defines us first. So to call his child by a boy's name and conversely can be complicated for the adaptation and development of the child.
Indeed, we know that being a child is very complicated, children judge themselves a lot between them and that can harm them in many ways. Even if there are unisex names, there are certain names that can not be given to the opposite sex.
But on the other hand having a boy's name can be original and can differentiate us from others. Personally, my name is unisex and my second name: Wissem, is a mixed first name among Moroccans but is much more used for a boy. I think it differentiates me and I never had a problem with my names.
The first name is something very important= Your First name is very important So to call his child= So it is what to call one's child Children judge themselves= children judge one another
After reading the subject several times, I thought a lot, and finally, I do not agree at all with the mayor. This subject is the bearer of a Breton family, article dated September 26, 2018.
To begin, a child, whether female or male, has the right to wear any given name, we just decide to "put" gender labels. Nobody in this world sat down at a table in front of a list of names, deciding whether or not to assign a given name for a girl or a boy.
Secondly, the choice of a first name will mark a child, then a man or a woman during all its existence, it is an important act. But the mixed names have appeared thanks, like this poor mother, to parents who stand out, being original, by giving a girl a girl's name or vice versa.
Some will say that the name "Andrea" is assigned for a girl, others for a boy. I think these names have appeared mixed thanks to this originality that now no longer shocks people when we call a girl or a boy Andrea, so why not Amber? And so many others?
And then, the mayor should not have the right to refuse such a thing, it's a common name among many others, I will have understood the decision of the mayor if this woman would have liked to call her baby "Lady Gaga" or well "Nicki Minaj".
It is thanks to this woman and many other people that the diversity exists and then, it costs nothing to the mayor to let this mother call her child Amber, when does he know if he will be happy or not with this name? And if the child suffers, he can change his name to his majority.
To conclude, I think we can give a name girl for a boy and vice versa. What already exists with female or male spelling; "Clement / Clementine"; "Julie / Julien" and many others ... And that to oppose such a thing like waste the happiness of the parents.
First of all I want to say : why name her child with a girl's name while there are many names for boy!? Even if she is keen on her little boy, he will be different from others child and he will be aware of his girl's name. Then he will be afraid of reactions of others people and he would maybe be ashamed of his name. Therefore I really don't think that it's a good idea to name her little boy “Ambre”, it's a girl's name, so it's a lot of problems for this boy.
To start with, I don’t understand why people care so much about how parents call their children. Of course, some names are fortunately forbidden by law because they can be harmful to the child, like “Nutella” or “Osama Bin Laden”. However, names like “Ambre” which are not harmful are also forbidden.
In Lorient, two women want to call their boy Ambre, but the prosecutor says they can’t because it’s “too girly”. It is really stupid because even the Family Court allowed them to. The prosecutor appeals this decision and it seems like she’s lashing out at the mothers. She thinks people will make fun of the boy if his name is Ambre. If they do, it’s not the mothers’ fault because “Ambre” is a unisex name. “Ambre” means “immortal” in ancient Greek and it’s also a gemstone so parents are actually allowed to choose that name for a boy. I don’t understand why some names are specific to boys, some to girls and some to both sexes. It is really subjective, and it depends on the country and the period. As an example, a girl named “Alexis” in France will be criticized because it is considered a “boy’s name” but it is completely normal to be called like that in an English-speaking country when you’re a girl.
To my mind, people should be more open-minded about names and they shouldn’t criticize the parents who chose the name saying: “your child will be mocked” when it’s a real name (like Ambre, Liam, or even Lucifer which means “light-bearer” and is an actual Latin name), that is not forbidden by law.
Hello everybody, Nowadays in our society a lot of names are mixed and can be worn by girls and boys in the same ways. But this is not really in the habits of today.
In fact, on the one hand, even if we are living in a modern society, people share a lots of customs and habits. Indeed, even if a name can be both-genders, it is in the standard that « boy’s name » are for a boy and conversely . However, as I said, I think that we are in a modern and advanced society which can change and progressed over time. For this reason, I don’t really understand why a mother can’t called his boy Ambre.
On the other hand, Ambre is not a name like « Cerise » or « Framboise » which are names with no significations. Indeed, Ambre refers to a name of a stone. It has sense, and it means something. Moreover, to my mind, Ambre is a normal and accessible name, and it is largely less ridiculous that a name as « Framboise » or as star’s names.
In conclusion, in my opinion I don’t really understand what is the problem if a boy is called Ambre. The only « problem » for me is that it is not in the standard which can annoy people. Finally, to my eyes, this is not a reason to forbid a type of name if it has sense and if it’s not ridiculous.
Hello, I think that giving a gender to a name is very subjective. It would be a proof of evolution of the society if we accepted to stop to categorize the first names. On the other hand, I think we should always think first at the child. If the given name don’t harm the child, there is no problem for give a boy name to a girl and conversely. That’s my opinion. Guillaume Ts3
In France, there are typically males and females names. But some of them can be for both sexes. So, French parents can name their children as they want ; except if it is a ridiculous or first name. They can even give an invented first name. However, I think it is hard to have a first name which doesn't match with his sex because it can hurt the psychological balance of the child. For example, growing up and have for name : Rose when you are a boy can be disrupting. Therefore, even if I think that a mother (or parents ) should be able to name their child as they wish, they have to watch out for the future of the kid who has this name.
Hello everybody! A mother wants to name her little boy "Ambre", wich is a girl's name, but the Mayor said she couldn't. To begin with, in my opinion your name is one of the most important thing about you. Your name differentiate you from other people, it's the element that people will remember in the first place about you. People will call you and recognize you by your name, if nobody had a name, how can we be a person of our own, a whole person? Our name is what define our identity, and our name will be the same for our entire life. That's why the choice of babies' name is so important, for parents. Afterwards, I disagree with the Mayor. I think that there really shouldn't be "girl's name", "boy's name", or other things like that, for exemple "girl's and boy's toys" in toy stores. A name should not be gendered, you should be able to name your child with any name you want, the name you prefer, because it's your choice, without taking account of the gender of your child, and if the society decided that this name is a boy's or a girl's name. It's your child, and in my view it's stupid to decide that a name is reserved for a part of the population. Why does a boy can't be name "Ambre" and a girl can't be name "Thomas"?
The first name is the first thing you know about a person. When you introduce yourself, it’s the first thing you say. To be in the standards, the first name for a boy is (to give an example) « Mark » and « Jane » for a girl. So we can ask ourselves if a boy can have a girl’s name and conversely. In addition, we can talk about the mayor who doesn’t want that a mother calls her little boy « Ambre ».
To begin with, each parent may have the right to call their children as they want. There are no rules about that. A name is a name. It’s the way it’s interpreted that changes everything. If a mother wants to call her little boy « Ambre » she can. At this moment, the parents only think of them. The point is, from the outlook of the child : everything gets complicated. During childhood and teenager years, the boy (for example) can be victim of bullying by his classmates. What is more, the child may feel uncomfortable and this will cause many problems during his life as a child and as an adult. Concerning the mayor, he forbids the fact that a mother calls her boy « Ambre ». He doesn’t have to tell her that she can’t because there are no laws that prohibit parents from naming their child as they wish. The parents are in the right to call their boy « Camille » or their girl « Alex » . Which is why, there are a lot of mixed first names like: Cameron, Lou, Sam... To my mind, « Ambre » is not a real mixed first name, but if someone wants to call his/her boy like that, he/she can. Moreover, I don’t agree with the mayor because he should respect the choice of parents. Maha 1S1
First of all, it's not up to the mayor to choose. It is not his child and in this case Ambre may very well be perceived as a boy's or mixed first name and would be very original and not shocking just as Camille, Charlie or Andrea. But it is trueto say that, still nowadays, we are quite closed-minded about traits that stand out from the crowd, so I guess that the mayor wanted to "protect" the child from mockery. However, we must be careful because a first name is kept for life and this can have consequences when looking for and building oneself as a person during adolescence for example, and so could be a burden for the child. So there is the problem of identification and harassment due to stereotypes about genders and their characters, such as the idea that girls should wear pink and blue for boys. To conclude, the mayor did not have to step in, he could have, if he really wanted to, discussed it with the parents and reasoned them even if in this case there was nothing to review. My opinion is that I have nothing against the idea because it's none of my business , but taking into account the possible consequences on the child, I find that useless, especially since nowadays we can create names with a little bit of imagination, so we don't need that.
I think that today we live in a society where mothers and fathers have the right to decide what name they want to call their child. Yes, there are limits but if the parents want to name their boy "Amber" they have the right, it is not illegal. This reaction is therefore ridiculous and shows that we are in a society where some people are still skeptical of the change that our society has made over the years. And the more important the parents are free to call their children as they wish, within the limits bet by the state and here the mayor cannot prohibit the name "Amber" for a boy. Moreover, there are many girls who are called "Gabrielle", a name which is originally male, but which has become feminized over time.
Hello, First of all, a name is a social construction. For a long time most names are attributed to a specific gender but there are also mixed names like Sasha or Camille. But Ambre is defined as a female name. Moreover I think it would be complicated to wear a female name for a boy because he might be bullied because of that at school. Otherwise, a child doesn't choose his/her name so I think it is a matter of some importance for the parents to think about it well. Nevertheless, it is not the part of the mayor to decide if a parent can give a certain name to his child or not (of course if this name in question doesn't refer to a famous bad person). Thank for reading. Emilie Folco TES4
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ReplyDeleteI think that this reaction is ridiculous and shows a closed mind of the mayor. Ambre is a real name and it’s not a name like Boat or Pencil. Furthermore, there are several names wich are mixed. To give an example, in french, Camille, Frédérique, Charlie are a boy name or a girl name, they make both. The name not define the gender and conversely. It not must give a name to a child because it’s a baby girl or a baby boy. It are gender stereotypes and we must combat them.
First of all, I think there is no specific first name for girls or boys. I think it's more a matter of habits that society has, because of a past society, in which girls and boys were separated. If our ancestors had not been mysogenous and sexist from the beginning, this barrier between women and men would have been much more blurred and nothing would have categorized for a sex. But today is the day and our society is beginning to evolve and repair inequalities, but I think it is above all the mentalities that must be changed, as in the case of this mother. I hope she will still succeed in getting the name she wants for her child
ReplyDeleteIt turns out that people have always separated girls and boys by predestining them for different sports, jobs, toys, futures and names because there would be supposed to be some things for girls and some things for boys.
ReplyDeleteI do not think that is appropriate. I don't see how a first name is gender-specific. Why would Mathilde be more feminine than Mathieu and a girl could not be called Mathieu and vice versa?
However, it is not we who choose our first names but rather our parents. If our parents give us a name called masculine when we are born a girl or the other way around, it could harm us because all along our lives we will be discriminated against, we will be laughed at, we will not be taken seriously. If people are willing to put up with all this to fight this fight, they don't have to force newborns to wear this all their lives. Despite the fact that giving girls or boys first names is stupid, you can't take the risk of hurting a child without asking for your opinion, because that's the way society is.
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ReplyDeleteFirst of all, the name you want to give to your child should not be validated by the mayor because for me a mayor does not have to give his opinion on the subject. It must be a family choice and especially parents.
Then parents have the full right to name their child as they wish. If they want their little boy named Ambre nothing can stop them. For example I know French boys who have girl names or the opposite , as the name Sasha which is used for girls and boys.
Anyway I disagree with the mayor because he has no right to choose instead of parents and I think a boy can have a girl's name ( and conversely).
Jeanne S TS2
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ReplyDeletePersonally, I think that it'll be a problem, especially for the little boy because in his childhood, or even when he'll grow up, pupils/students/colleagues can make fun of him because it's not a common thing to be named with a girl name if we're a boy.
So, he'll probably don't like it and he'll be uncomfortable whoever he'll be with. He may feel shame of his name because some people will make him feel weird and ignored because of it.
Nesrine, 1s1.
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ReplyDeleteI think that a person should be able to have any name they want,there shouldn't be stereotypes regarding what gender a name corresponds to. But one could also argue that if a boy has a girl's name he might be made fun of (specially at a young age), which is wrong, but very possible. More over I don't understand why the mayor should be the one choosing the name of the child, after all it isn't his child but the mother's, so if she wants to name her child Ambre i don't see why she wouldn't be able to.
To conclude I think that a boy can have girl's name, it won't change who he is or anything about him, after all its just a name.
Thank you for reading!
Olivia FLANNAGAN 1S1
First of all, we have to know if giving a boy's name to a girl and conversely is allowed by the law or not. The mayor said that she couldn't so may be it's not legal but we must be sure of that. In my opinion, it could be something very difficult and destabilizing for a child because of critics and judgment. Kids can be cruel and laugh at boys or girls who are different even for a detail. But if there is no prohibition by law parents can name their kids as they wish despite the fact that they are having fun without thinking about the consequences on their children's life. On one hand people are free but on the other hand, as far as I am concerned, I wouldn't bear being in this kind of situation and be named Ambre.
ReplyDeleteEvery one is free to do whatever it wants as long rules established by the society are complied with.
ReplyDeleteIn this particular case, a woman chooses to name her son "Ambre" which is a girl's name. If we simply think at this situation, the woman is free to choose any first name for her son, on top of that the name of our kids is something really important because it is very personal, consequently we should allow this woman to name her son as she wants.
But as stated previously, society has set rules that we cannot violate and this rule can be applied to this case. Indeed the law prohibits any name that goes against the mores or any name that can deprive the child or anyone else.
We can see the situation from two differents angles : On the one hand the boy will keep a girl's name his entire life, therefore he will probably have to face jibes during his childhood and maybe even later in his life, which could make him suffer. On the other hand, Nowadays we live in a society where biases are disputed and where people tend to be more open minded.
To sum up, I would say that this situation is very controversial but I believe it's in the best interest of the child to be named as a boy.
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ReplyDeleteTo my mind it's depends which name it is. If it's a real girl name it's quite difficult to give it to a boy.
I am sure once he'll grow up, he'd have some difficulties and he would receive some jugements from other people, because we all know that nowadays, people aren't kind with each other and there are a lot of criticizing forms.
He is the same case for a girl with a boy name.
Moreover, there is unisex names. they are both girls and boys for instance: Camille, Dominique, Raphael/Raphaelle...
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ReplyDeleteTo my mind, parents should be able to call their children as they want, as long as it is not provoking. Sure, calling her son Amber will cause confusion, because it's a girl's name, but if she wants to call it that she should be able to do it. I think we can give a girl's name to a boy or boy's name to a girl, but you have to know that people will make fun of the name, which is not good for a child. The child will feel himself different of others children and he can lose confidence. To finish, I think that we don’t choose our name, so we must to respect people’s name because that’s not them who have choose.
MABIN Paul TES3
I find this subject particularly interesting by its sphycological and social side. For starters it is necessary to know that every parent has the right to name his child as he wishes without exceeding the limits by using a banned name like Hitler for example. A name is really important in a life, it is by its pronunciation or its writing that a person is recognized in the world.Taking as an example this subject we can distinguish two points of view first of all that of the mother who for me the choice of this name is totally personal, she chooses this name because she likes it but she does not think about her son it is then that the point of view of the mair intervenes is a more global point of view which includes that of the son. Because in our society the name "Amber" is for the female gender and therefore the son of this mother could receive mockery, the name of his name would not help other people to correctly identify which will surely lead to a change of first name requested by the humiliated child. And so the thing that his mother would have left him will have disappeared. That's why the mayor tells the mother that she should notIn conclusion parents have a responsibility about the first name of their children and it is not enough to give them a random first name so I think for the boy it is better that he has a boy's name
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ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, I think parents have rights about their children's names, regardless about the name's gender.
I see genders like upsetting cases where everyone can put us and it is something that really bother me. Why people can't have a name just because it is a girl's name ?
Therefore, I don't think a boy can't have a girl's name or a girl, a boy's name, because it's a part of their identity and others children have to learn it. Mockery wouldn't change anything about someone's name, even if they like it or not.
In conclusion, I think people should learn to respect the choice about names because each person is unique and names is part of them, so people should respect their decision and not restricting them.
Emilie Lacroix, 1°S 1
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-"...have rights regarding the choice of their children..."
-"...regardless..."
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-"...respect the choice others make..."
-"...made regarding names..."
-"...in where names are concerned..."
-"...a name..."
Emilie Lacroix, 1°S 1
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ReplyDeleteI think that the fact that a mother wants to name her little boy "Ambre" is really original and really courageous. Although her son might have some problems with that later, some names are unisex, like "Dominic/Dominique", "Camille", "Valery/Valerie", or "Grishka". So Ambre could be an unisex name. It's not a real problem, and it's a really pretty name. In Japan, some guys have girl's name and the contrary as well. There, it's pretty normal, for exemple, Yuki or Yuuki , which means snow, is unisex, boys and girls are named like that. And some boys are named after a flower's name. It wouldn't define the life of the person who is named by a unisex name. So if the mother wants to name her son Ambre, she can and I want to cheer her to do it.
Jeanne L. D.
To begin with, it's not the first time that some parents want to call their child with an unisex name, of course a lot of names like this exist such as Camille, Dominique, or why not Taylor and Jesse/Jessie. That's why we could ask ourselves : is a man (even if he is the mayor) really allowed to apply his opinion and so refuse parents' choice?
ReplyDeleteToday, a lot of things are going on, about women rights for example, or more freedom of opinion, in other words. People are fighting from social media, or in the street by demonstration for this issue. These people actually want everyone to be happy with themselves and moreover in the society they live in. The problem is that a mayor who is refusing a name is completely against that. Perhaps he thinks that people could expect a girl with this name whereas he is actually a boy make a mistake about his gender. Indeed, the mayor would say that refuse this name is for well being.
To conclude, I would say that I do not agree at all with the mayor's point of view. I think that parents should be allowed to call their children as they want. However, if the child gets laughed at, it's not his parents' fault for calling him that way, it's just the way people think which, unfortunately, does not mature. That's why I'd say that there is no boy's or girl's names, there are just names that we associate to people, some more often with girls and others more often with boys but that's it.
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ReplyDeleteI find it completely ridiculous, why consider that a given name should be that of a boy or that of a girl.In addition, the mayor has no opinion to give on how the mother should name her child, this can be a personal choice for the mother.It is an important and sacred choice for parents.
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ReplyDeleteTo be honest I think parents should not give girl's name to boys because when he'll grow up he probably get judgements and critics. He can feel lower and he'll isolate himself from persons. People can make fun of him and it will be disagreeable for him, same thing for girls. But there are mixed names like Camille, Frédérique, Gabriel, Pascale.
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ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, I think parents should not give girl's name to boys and conversely. Even though it is their choice, their children will probably be harassed because, at some age, children are very mean. And it will be even worse during the teenage years, because it is usually when you feel weak, or not confident and don't trust yourself; so I guess people will judge those children and probably laugh at them for their name.
I also think it could be annoying because if a boy has long hair and has a girl's name, people will just confuse him with a girl and it will be embarassing, for both people and the boy.
This is the reason why I think parents should not give girl's name to a boy or the other way around.
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CARLIN Lisa
As a starting point, our name will follow us all our lives except if we want to change because it is too ridiculous and if it hurt our social life but it’s difficult to change and we have to be an adult.
ReplyDeleteOn the one hand, we are in 2018 and I think it’s ridiculous to say that some names are for a specific gender. All names must be mixt, a mother can choose a name for her son as she wants and she doesn’t have to be stopped by the society which wants to put people into cases.
On the other hand, a name can be refused if we think it will be difficult for a child to support it. Indeed, maybe the mayor thinks about the boy’s childhood and the harassment he may suffer because we know that children are sometimes cruel. A name doesn’t have to complicate life.
However, some people think that the name was refused because it will establish the sexual orientation’s boy. To my mind, it’s unbelievable to think that and I complain children who have parents like that.
In brief, I can’t wait to see that the society will change, and I will fight to name my daughter Eloi.
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Legislation on first names is undoubtedly a good reflection of social norms at a given time.
ReplyDeleteIn France, since 1991, parents have been given quite a lot of freedom. However, the administration must check whether the proposed first name is not likely to harm the child, as for example in the agreement with the surname, or whether it is likely to encourage play on words or easy mockery, or whether it symbolizes a trademark.
This is a notion that touches on the subjective. It undoubtedly varies according to the civil registrars.
If in Germany the first name must be gendered, we have in France a certain number of first names that may be suitable for both men and women (Dominique, Camille, Claude, Alix, Charlie, Andréa, Noah, Thaïs Michele, Lou, ...) in which way is Amber more feminine than masculine?
If a good number of first names are available in both male and female, why not consider those who do not have this possibility as being equally suitable for girls and boys?
Furthermore, to facilitate the transition to the town hall, as since a decree of 4 April 1991 "any first name entered on the birth certificate may be chosen as the usual first name", a first name resulting from a more personal choice may be entered in the second or third name and the child may subsequently wish to wear it.
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ReplyDeleteIn my opinion a girl who has the name of a boy or a boy who has a girl's name is quite special because it's rare and often parents give a name to their child just because they like it without thinking about the consequences. While in reality it is not the parents who will have to live with this name but the child and it's something very important because a name that follows us everywhere especially at school so there will surely be many prejudices or mockery because people don't all have the same vision of this name and in this case the child can feel bad and upset and not feel like the others.
So I think a girl should have a female name instead and vice versa for boys. But there are mixed mixed names.
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ReplyDeleteFirst the subject made me laugh because it is not the mayor who must choose the name of a child who is not his. Of course the name should not be silly or forbidden by law but it is up to the parent to choose.
Secondly ,I think I think that before giving a mixed first name to a child, one may wonder if he will not suffer from this lack of sexual differentiation. It is important to ask if the child is not going to suffer from wearing a mixed name.
However, this type of name upsets established genres and is particularly suitable for parents who want originality without falling into total extravagance.
Lastly, in my opinion, it is better to give a boy a boy's name and conversely in order to be sure that the child is not harassed or otherwise
Ethan Lellouche 1S1
In France, there are typically males and females names. But some of them can be for both sexes.
ReplyDeleteSo, french parents can name their children as they want ; except if it is a ridiculous or rude first name. They can even give an invented first name.
However, I think it is hard to have a first name which doesn't match with his sex because it can hurt the psychological balance of the child.
For example, growing up and have for name : Rose when you are a boy can be disrupting.
Therefore, even if I think that a mother (or parents ) should be able to name their child as they wish, they have to watch out for the future of the kid who has this name.
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ReplyDeleteTo begin, The first name is something very important, that's what defines us first. So to call his child by a boy's name and conversely can be complicated for the adaptation and development of the child.
Indeed, we know that being a child is very complicated, children judge themselves a lot between them and that can harm them in many ways. Even if there are unisex names, there are certain names that can not be given to the opposite sex.
But on the other hand having a boy's name can be original and can differentiate us from others.
Personally, my name is unisex and my second name: Wissem, is a mixed first name among Moroccans but is much more used for a boy. I think it differentiates me and I never had a problem with my names.
Camille DAHMOUNI TS5
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ReplyDeleteAfter reading the subject several times, I thought a lot, and finally, I do not agree at all with the mayor.
This subject is the bearer of a Breton family, article dated September 26, 2018.
To begin, a child, whether female or male, has the right to wear any given name, we just decide to "put" gender labels. Nobody in this world sat down at a table in front of a list of names, deciding whether or not to assign a given name for a girl or a boy.
Secondly, the choice of a first name will mark a child, then a man or a woman during all its existence, it is an important act. But the mixed names have appeared thanks, like this poor mother, to parents who stand out, being original, by giving a girl a girl's name or vice versa.
Some will say that the name "Andrea" is assigned for a girl, others for a boy.
I think these names have appeared mixed thanks to this originality that now no longer shocks people when we call a girl or a boy Andrea, so why not Amber? And so many others?
And then, the mayor should not have the right to refuse such a thing, it's a common name among many others, I will have understood the decision of the mayor if this woman would have liked to call her baby "Lady Gaga" or well "Nicki Minaj".
It is thanks to this woman and many other people that the diversity exists and then, it costs nothing to the mayor to let this mother call her child Amber, when does he know if he will be happy or not with this name? And if the child suffers, he can change his name to his majority.
To conclude, I think we can give a name girl for a boy and vice versa.
What already exists with female or male spelling; "Clement / Clementine"; "Julie / Julien" and many others ... And that to oppose such a thing like waste the happiness of the parents.
Mantero Manon, TS2
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ReplyDeleteFirst of all I want to say : why name her child with a girl's name while there are many names for boy!? Even if she is keen on her little boy, he will be different from others child and he will be aware of his girl's name. Then he will be afraid of reactions of others people and he would maybe be ashamed of his name. Therefore I really don't think that it's a good idea to name her little boy “Ambre”, it's a girl's name, so it's a lot of problems for this boy.
Arman G. Ts3
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ReplyDeleteTo start with, I don’t understand why people care so much about how parents call their children. Of course, some names are fortunately forbidden by law because they can be harmful to the child, like “Nutella” or “Osama Bin Laden”. However, names like “Ambre” which are not harmful are also forbidden.
In Lorient, two women want to call their boy Ambre, but the prosecutor says they can’t because it’s “too girly”. It is really stupid because even the Family Court allowed them to. The prosecutor appeals this decision and it seems like she’s lashing out at the mothers. She thinks people will make fun of the boy if his name is Ambre. If they do, it’s not the mothers’ fault because “Ambre” is a unisex name.
“Ambre” means “immortal” in ancient Greek and it’s also a gemstone so parents are actually allowed to choose that name for a boy. I don’t understand why some names are specific to boys, some to girls and some to both sexes. It is really subjective, and it depends on the country and the period. As an example, a girl named “Alexis” in France will be criticized because it is considered a “boy’s name” but it is completely normal to be called like that in an English-speaking country when you’re a girl.
To my mind, people should be more open-minded about names and they shouldn’t criticize the parents who chose the name saying: “your child will be mocked” when it’s a real name (like Ambre, Liam, or even Lucifer which means “light-bearer” and is an actual Latin name), that is not forbidden by law.
Thelma D. TS3
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ReplyDeleteNowadays in our society a lot of names are mixed and can be worn by girls and boys in the same ways. But this is not really in the habits of today.
In fact, on the one hand, even if we are living in a modern society, people share a lots of customs and habits. Indeed, even if a name can be both-genders, it is in the standard that « boy’s name » are for a boy and conversely . However, as I said, I think that we are in a modern and advanced society which can change and progressed over time. For this reason, I don’t really understand why a mother can’t called his boy Ambre.
On the other hand, Ambre is not a name like « Cerise » or « Framboise » which are names with no significations. Indeed, Ambre refers to a name of a stone. It has sense, and it means something. Moreover, to my mind, Ambre is a normal and accessible name, and it is largely less ridiculous that a name as « Framboise » or as star’s names.
In conclusion, in my opinion I don’t really understand what is the problem if a boy is called Ambre. The only « problem » for me is that it is not in the standard which can annoy people. Finally, to my eyes, this is not a reason to forbid a type of name if it has sense and if it’s not ridiculous.
Romane ALLAIN TES3
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ReplyDeleteI think that giving a gender to a name is very subjective. It would be a proof of evolution of the society if we accepted to stop to categorize the first names.
On the other hand, I think we should always think first at the child. If the given name don’t harm the child, there is no problem for give a boy name to a girl and conversely.
That’s my opinion.
Guillaume Ts3
In France, there are typically males and females names. But some of them can be for both sexes.
ReplyDeleteSo, French parents can name their children as they want ; except if it is a ridiculous or first name. They can even give an invented first name.
However, I think it is hard to have a first name which doesn't match with his sex because it can hurt the psychological balance of the child.
For example, growing up and have for name : Rose when you are a boy can be disrupting.
Therefore, even if I think that a mother (or parents ) should be able to name their child as they wish, they have to watch out for the future of the kid who has this name.
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ReplyDeleteA mother wants to name her little boy "Ambre", wich is a girl's name, but the Mayor said she couldn't.
To begin with, in my opinion your name is one of the most important thing about you. Your name differentiate you from other people, it's the element that people will remember in the first place about you. People will call you and recognize you by your name, if nobody had a name, how can we be a person of our own, a whole person? Our name is what define our identity, and our name will be the same for our entire life. That's why the choice of babies' name is so important, for parents.
Afterwards, I disagree with the Mayor. I think that there really shouldn't be "girl's name", "boy's name", or other things like that, for exemple "girl's and boy's toys" in toy stores. A name should not be gendered, you should be able to name your child with any name you want, the name you prefer, because it's your choice, without taking account of the gender of your child, and if the society decided that this name is a boy's or a girl's name. It's your child, and in my view it's stupid to decide that a name is reserved for a part of the population. Why does a boy can't be name "Ambre" and a girl can't be name "Thomas"?
Thaïs Genoux 1S1
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The first name is the first thing you know about a person. When you introduce yourself, it’s the first thing you say. To be in the standards, the first name for a boy is (to give an example) « Mark » and « Jane » for a girl. So we can ask ourselves if a boy can have a girl’s name and conversely. In addition, we can talk about the mayor who doesn’t want that a mother calls her little boy « Ambre ».
ReplyDeleteTo begin with, each parent may have the right to call their children as they want. There are no rules about that. A name is a name. It’s the way it’s interpreted that changes everything. If a mother wants to call her little boy « Ambre » she can. At this moment, the parents only think of them.
The point is, from the outlook of the child : everything gets complicated. During childhood and teenager years, the boy (for example) can be victim of bullying by his classmates. What is more, the child may feel uncomfortable and this will cause many problems during his life as a child and as an adult.
Concerning the mayor, he forbids the fact that a mother calls her boy « Ambre ». He doesn’t have to tell her that she can’t because there are no laws that prohibit parents from naming their child as they wish. The parents are in the right to call their boy « Camille » or their girl « Alex » . Which is why, there are a lot of mixed first names like: Cameron, Lou, Sam...
To my mind, « Ambre » is not a real mixed first name, but if someone wants to call his/her boy like that, he/she can.
Moreover, I don’t agree with the mayor because he should respect the choice of parents.
Maha 1S1
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ReplyDeleteFirst of all, it's not up to the mayor to choose. It is not his child and in this case Ambre may very well be perceived as a boy's or mixed first name and would be very original and not shocking just as Camille, Charlie or Andrea. But it is trueto say that, still nowadays, we are quite closed-minded about traits that stand out from the crowd, so I guess that the mayor wanted to "protect" the child from mockery.
However, we must be careful because a first name is kept for life and this can have consequences when looking for and building oneself as a person during adolescence for example, and so could be a burden for the child.
So there is the problem of identification and harassment due to stereotypes about genders and their characters, such as the idea that girls should wear pink and blue for boys.
To conclude, the mayor did not have to step in, he could have, if he really wanted to, discussed it with the parents and reasoned them even if in this case there was nothing to review.
My opinion is that I have nothing against the idea because it's none of my business , but taking into account the possible consequences on the child, I find that useless, especially since nowadays we can create names with a little bit of imagination, so we don't need that.
Amira 1ES2
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ReplyDeleteI think that today we live in a society where mothers and fathers have the right to decide what name they want to call their child. Yes, there are limits but if the parents want to name their boy "Amber" they have the right, it is not illegal. This reaction is therefore ridiculous and shows that we are in a society where some people are still skeptical of the change that our society has made over the years. And the more important the parents are free to call their children as they wish, within the limits bet by the state and here the mayor cannot prohibit the name "Amber" for a boy. Moreover, there are many girls who are called "Gabrielle", a name which is originally male, but which has become feminized over time.
Marine CASTELLI T°ES4
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ReplyDeleteFirst of all, a name is a social construction. For a long time most names are attributed to a specific gender but there are also mixed names like Sasha or Camille. But Ambre is defined as a female name. Moreover I think it would be complicated to wear a female name for a boy because he might be bullied because of that at school. Otherwise, a child doesn't choose his/her name so I think it is a matter of some importance for the parents to think about it well. Nevertheless, it is not the part of the mayor to decide if a parent can give a certain name to his child or not (of course if this name in question doesn't refer to a famous bad person).
Thank for reading.
Emilie Folco TES4