Wednesday 30 November 2016
Why do we have punishments ( at school ) and what are they used for ? Giving a punishment allows the teacher to show his / her disagreement about a student's attitude (not doing his / her job, to chew a chewin-gum in class, be late... ). The student therefore perceives punishment as a bad thing, however, the professor's intention is not to bother us. On the contrary, punishment serves as a lesson and helps us not to reproduce our mistakes in the world of work. Punishment is often useful, even if for us ( high school students ) it is only a waste of time. In addition, writing on the blog helps us to improve our writing. ( yes, what you are reading right now is a punishment )
What is your opinion about it ?
Vinot Nathan TL1
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I agree with Nathan. A punishment is given to a student for various reasons, such as being insolent in class, eating in class, not doing homework, and so on. As Nathan said, a punishment is mostly, if not always, frowned upon by the student, which may be understandable. Nevertheless, I think that punishment serves, above all, that we do not do the same things that we have done to deserve punishment. Punishment serves as a lesson, in a way. I also agrre that writing on the blog can make progress in writing. Obviously, writing what you want to say on Google translation and then copying it does not help much, you do not necessarily make progress. I am not saying that Google translation is a bad thing, but it would be better to use it than when you really need it.
ReplyDeleteTo my mind, punishments are useful only if the punished one is aware of his or her mistake and if he understands the reason why he is being punished. If this person doesn't know why she is, she will probably repeat the same errors. We ( high school students ) often think that we don't deserve the punishment and we complain a lot about it. But I think that, for instance, the blog is a good kind of punishment because it is a way to improve our writing and can't do any bad.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I don't agree with the teachers who ask us to write 300 times " I musn't talk in class" for example. I believe it isn't useful. These teachers say that it will make us remember of what we musn't do... I think we are enough intelligent and evolved as Human being to understand what we aren't allowed to do in school, without writing it or repeating it 300 times. I believe this kind of punishmennt is reducer if not demeaning.
Otherwise, every teacher do what he/she thinks is good for the student, even if we desagree on the moment. If they have to give punishments, they should give instructive ones, that way it won't only be a waste of time, but also a helpful lesson.
INQUIMBERT Irina TL1
I agree with Irina! It's totally needless to write 300 times such things. To my mind the punishments are bad teaching methods because they are used to force a personne to pay a penality for an error or a bad behavior which he does not recognize. The only thing which it can engender is the frustration and the desire to do it again by argumentativeness.
ReplyDeleteThe best exemple I can give is the method of our math teacher. She gives us work to do at home but we are not obliged to do it. If we don't it's our problem. She makes the correction in class and that's all. The result is that the pupils have less pressure and make their exercises with more pleasure. And every body have good marks because they want to learn for themself and not because they are scared of the punishment.
I always had bad results in math but since I have this teacher my results are really good and I understand finally what I'm doing!
To my mind, a punishment is necessary in some cases. As my comrades told earlier, a punishment must be instructive. If a punishment isn't beneficial and educational, it will only disgust the punished student. For example, punishments for children are necessary for their evolutions, it serves at lessons for later. For people more aged like teenagers I think it's can be interesting if the student understands why he got it. Nevertheless, if a student is not responsible, like forgetting his notebook, is not necessary. There is no guilt of the part of the student punished and therefore he will not understand why he is punished. Later in the world of adults I suppose guilt itself plays the role of punishment, because a punishment must be fair, otherwise it would be called a dictatorship.
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From my point of view the pupils deserve their punishments most of the time. However they don't always understand why they deserve them so before giving a work to do the problem must be cleared so that both pupil and teacher know what's going on and what the teacher reproaches his student. Sometimes the punishment may be stronger than the fault so the student should have the right to express himself. I don't think punishments have a negative effect on the pupils, when the work to do is something good like writing a composition, it may even help him to improve himself. Nevertheless, I agree with the person who said that writing hundred times a lesson or a sentence is a bad idea because it is a waste of time for the teacher and for the pupil. So to conclude I believe that the misunderstanding between the teacher and the student when the teacher gives a punishment, is only due to a communication's lack. Punishments are not a bad something but they should be given when needed and shouldn't be harder than the student's mistake.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all , punishments can be a good things but it depends on the situation and of the punishment , let me explain when a teacher give a big punishment for a little mistake , it is extreme , for example I think that is not necessary when the pupil forgets his exercise book for the first time , or when the punishments consist to writing a lesson or other ( make exercices can be better idea ) Often the pupils don't understand the reason of their punishments , I think that the pupil and the teach need to communicate ! and that the pupil has to deserve his punishment ( eat in class , no homeworks fact ...etc)
ReplyDeleteHello everyone,
ReplyDeleteTo start with, I have fixed feelings with punishments. On one hand, sometimes it's necessary to punish a pupil when he deserves it. He has to understand his own mistake to not repeat the same but on the other hand sometimes the punishment is bigger than the mistake and the pupils don't understand the reason of their punishments and most of the time it creates a conflict between the teachers and the pupils.
To conclude, a pupil has to recognize his mistake and accept the punishment but the teachers can communicate with the pupils when for example they forget their notebook.
Bernardini Alyson 1ES2
We disagree with Nathan. Punishment is not always a good thing, because sometimes there is no good reason to punish students.
ReplyDeleteBeing late is not a good reason because it's not the fault of the student but most of the time of the public transport. Punishment is needed when the students are violent like when they fight with other people/friends or insolent with the teacher. Other reasons can be : smoking or drinking in the school or doing drugs or cheating in the exam.
Sometimes it's a good thing for young pupils because it permits them to calm down when they're angry.
Finally it can be a good thing,because they will behave better after punishment and respect the teacher a little bit more.
Nicolas.B, Charles.D,Tom.C
We disagree with Nathan. Punishment is not always a good thing, because sometimes there is no good reason to punish students.
ReplyDeleteBeing late is not a good reason because it's not the fault of the student but most of the time of the public transport. Punishment is needed when the students are violent like when they fight with other people/friends or insolent with the teacher. Other reasons can be : smoking or drinking in the school or doing drugs or cheating in the exam.
Sometimes it's a good thing for young pupils because it permits them to calm down when they're angry.
Finally it can be a good thing,because they will behave better after punishment and respect the teacher a little bit more.
Nicolas.B, Charles.D, Tom.C
I think that the usefulness of the punishments varies according to the pupil: if the pupil is motivated by the school subjet where he made a mistake and he recognizes his mistakes, he will do the punishment unwillingly but he knows that he deserves it .
ReplyDeleteIt is necessary to recognize that sometimes some punishments are useful:I don't mean to copy a book page randomly, to make lines or to put an hour of restraint: the student is vexed, pointed and he has the impression of wasting his time ... however to oblige him to learn the lesson of the day or do the exercises for the next control can only be beneficial for him and his results!
However, if the student is not interested by the school subject or he finds it less important than others, the punishment will certainly not be made or unnecessary, because the student will hate material and the teacher, but also feel discouraged or feel unfairly attacked. So you have to know the student's profile very well before you give him a punishment, and especially choose it well.
To start with, I think that it depends on the mistake. When you have a lot of classes everyday, you might, from time to time, forget for instance your book. I think it is up to the teacher to judge if the student is just light-headed or he just does not care. The punishment also have to be consistent, neither too hard or time consuming, nor too pleasant or easy...
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I think that punishment should be allowed. We all know that teachers have a tough job. They are typically dealing with 20 to 35 students in their class. Students will misbehave at some point. Even your perfect child. What should the teacher do when this happens? If they do nothing, then the other children may misbehave as well, because they saw no consequence for the bad behavior. What should the teacher do, if he/she doesn't know who is responsible for the infraction? Should they punish the entire class? Unfortunately, there are times when collateral damage will occur and this is one of them. Sometimes it's impossible for a teacher to know who committed an infraction, so if no one will confess, they must punish the entire class. If there are a few known bad children that misbehave, I don't think that the entire class should be punished.It is one of the many exemples we can use just to say that students should be punished but equally.
ReplyDeleteMBARGA FELICITE.
All parents have developed their own forms of punishment for their children. Some parents don't believe in punishing their children. When your child enters school, the teacher is now issuing the punishments and it doesn't matter what your punishment philosophy is. Most schools banned corporal punishment years ago, so most parents don't have to worry about a teacher hitting their child.
Hello !
ReplyDelete- First of all we must know that in the 20th century, punishment were very different indeed there were school corporal punishment, it refers to causing deliberate pain or discomfort in response to undesired behaviour by students in schools. It often involves striking the student on the hands, especially at the elementary school level.
- From my point of view, It is necessary to punish a pupil when he did something wrong ( for example : give a special homework) because for his future it is important that he recognize his mistakes.
- In a nutshell, I think that the most important is the communication between teacher and student to find solution without conflict.
Latella Clara 1S4
HI EVEREYONE!!
ReplyDeleteI agree with Nathan. A punishment is given to a student for various reasons, such as being insolent in class, eating in class, not doing homework, and so on. As Nathan said, a punishment is mostly, if not always, frowned upon by the student, which may be understandable. Nevertheless, I think that punishment should be allowed. We all know that teachers have a tough job.They are typically dealing with 30 to 35 students in their class. Students will misbehave at some point. Punishment serves as a lesson, in a way. If they do nothing, then the other children may misbehave as well, because they saw no consequence for the bad behavior. So what should do the teacher ? Punish them ? Or let them ? The best solution is to punish them for warning them that this is not in class that you have to be insolent or do some bad thing but this is outside. And at the end the student will understand what he had done was bad and he will never do it again.
All parents have developed their own forms of punishment for their children.
On one hand, some parents believe in punishment and so they punish their children and sometimes childrens understand and apoligize.
On the other hand, some parents don't believe in punishing their children, they just use the language and explain them what was bad but unfortunaly some children don’t understand and continue.
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I have mixed feelings about punishments at school because sometimes I think it's a little bit exaggerated that's just my opinion although I agree that you learn from punishments because you know you did something inappropriate and if you have to write verbs 10 times you learn but you don't want to do it again it's really irritating.At our age we think that teacher do that just to bother us but we'll realize that what they do is just to help us and I agree writing on the blog helps a lot !
ReplyDeleteIn my mind punishment at school is quite useful for us, because it's a lesson to not redo the same mistakes all times. punishment at the school is the right of the teacher so we don't have the right to criticize this fact. But in an other way, there are some punishment who are very exaggerated, I mean that we don't have the time to do some subject because of the punishment.
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